I’ve got a lot of posts I need to catch up on, but I can’t resist writing one about the recent debate that took place between Ken Ham (great creationist and defender of the gospel), and Bill Nye (the TV “scientist” and evolution proselytizer).
I watched the debate in its entirety, and it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ken Ham defeated Bill Nye on nearly every point. What’s so surprising to me, however, is that as embarrassing as Bill Nye’s presentation was, liberal media blogs are actually suggesting Nye won. Wow. They must be desperate.
What I thought I’d do in this quick post is present a quick summary of the debate, and explain why Bill Nye did a horrible job. If you haven’t watched the debate, you can do so on YouTube below:
Why Ken Ham Won the Debate
In short, these are the reasons Ken Ham won the debate:
- Ken Ham coherently, systematically, and logically explained the difference between true, observational science and historical science. The difference being that observational science is science anyone can do. It is repeatable, verifiable, and observable. Historical science involves a lot of assumptions, interpretation, and opinion. Atheists cleverly abuse the assumptions in an attempt to push their own religious beliefs (life without God) onto children.
- Ken Ham repeatedly shot down Nye’s ridiculous assertions that creationists aren’t real scientists. He even had real Ph.D. creationists (one invented the MRI machine, by the way) in a live video explaining their scientific contributions while affirming their creationist stance. Of course, Nye ignored it.
- Ken Ham did an excellent job at answering, in great detail, almost all of Nye’s assertions about creationism. While Ken Ham didn’t have time to respond to them all, I know he has wonderful explanations to all of them, as I’ve read them on his website (answersingensis.org) long before this debate took place.
- Ham came off as cool, mature, intelligent, and funny. All of his jokes landed well, and he had a sense of maturity about him. You could sense his confidence in the debate, and he handled himself very well. He also followed the debate instructions without going over time or using excessive words.
- Ken Ham appropriately pointed out how evolutionists/atheists/secular humanists have hijacked words like “evolution” and “science” to fit their own definitions, which clearly go against their historical meaning.
- Ken Ham appropriately pointed out, albeit in a subtle way, the “intolerance” of the so-called “tolerant” crowd. He even revealed a great slide that shows you just how absurd they get. He also affirmed that marriage is between one man and one woman. God invented marriage (and sex, for that matter); He’s the boss.
- Ken Ham respectfully acknowledged that even some atheists have made contributions to science, which was awfully gracious of him.
While Ken Ham did a wonderful job, there are a couple of areas in which I felt he could have been stronger.
First, I think he should have attacked Nye with more boldness and pointed out the sheer stupidity of some of his arguments and assertions. Nevertheless, Ham took the respectable route and quietly dismissed Nye’s assertions or explained calmly why they were wrong. Bill Nye continually made statements that left people with an impression that Christians don’t do science, or that Christians are anti-science. That’s nonsense, and I think Ham should have called Nye out on this in a bold way and revealed his ignorance.
Second, I felt that Ham should have countered with all of the times the date of the earth has been changed–just in the last two decades alone. When I was in elementary school, I think I was taught it was around 4-5 million years. Now it’s in the billions (the last time I checked, although they do change it often). Nye pretends to be so confident, but billions upon billions of years have been added to the age of the Earth by “secular scientists” within the past 20-30 years alone! Is Nye sure they have it right this time?
Third, Ham didn’t have enough time to respond to all of Nye’s absurd claims. Of course, he has this information on his website already, but I would have really like it if some of the skeptics watching could have heard some of these arguments or apologetics of creationism. However, this is not Ham’s fault, as you can only say so much in a limited time when debating.
Ultimately, Ken Ham did a wonderful job in the debate. He presented the facts well, did well with counterarguments, upheld the authority of the scriptures, and even slid a gospel presentation in a few times. He did it respectfully, logically, and reasonably. Well done, Ken.
Why Bill Nye Lost the Debate by a Landslide
I’m not joking–Bill Nye did horribly in this debate. I’m not saying that because he’s an atheist, either. I’ve heard atheists who can debate well. Bill Nye isn’t one of them.
After this debate was over, I turned to my wife in disbelief and said, “Good grief, sweetheart. I could have presented a better case for evolution, and I don’t even believe it!” That’s seriously how bad Bill Nye did. His attempts to prove evolution were weak, even bizarre at times.
Here are some of the reasons why Bill Nye did so horribly:
- Bill Nye started with a bizarre, totally unrelated story about tying a bow tie. It was awkward, and the story fell flat. The majority of the audience (aside from a couple of people who gently laughed), had strange looks on their faces. It was a horrible way to start a debate, and it was unrelated to anything discussed.
- Bill Nye seemed as if he had zero confidence. He stuttered, he paused often, he repeated words often (“extraordinary”), and so forth. His entire presentation was awkward. My wife asked me halfway through, “Did he even prepare for this debate?”
- Bill Nye continued, in the face of being proven wrong, to lay out false assertion after false assertion. He often tried to use language suggesting creationists can’t be scientists (they are, and Ken Ham showed video proof), he suggested creationists/Christians aren’t’ interested in science (we are, as noted by the many Christians who have revolutionized science such as Isaac Newton).
- Bill Nye was totally disrespectful in the debate. He smugly referred to creationism as “Ken Ham’s model.” It isn’t, Bill. Creationism has been around since the beginning of time, and it will continue to exist long after Ken Ham is dead. Jesus was a creationist, and so am I. However, Ham should be recognized for his life-long contribution to the field.
- Bill Nye insulted the entire state of Kentucky. He stopped at one point in the debate, for reasons unknown to me, and “scolded” Kentucky because they don’t offer an educational degree program for Nuclear Medicine Technology. I found this odd considering that many states don’t offer specific degree types due to low demand or scarcity of resources. Coincidentally, my wife (a beautiful registered nurse and author), specializes in cardiac medicine. She works with these “Nuclear Medicine Techs” every day. She’s even had exposure from the radioactive chemical they use when testing people. Yes, Mr. Nye, creationists/Christians do actually perform science. As a side note–you may be interested to know that the entire field of nursing was almost single-handedly revolutionized and developed by Florence Nightingale–a Christian!
- Bill Nye insulted Christianity and mocked God’s word. He rudely kept referring to the Bible as a “document,” and condescendingly stated (many times) how it had been “translated.” Of course, I guess Bill has no problem with a science textbook being translated, but for a religious book–that must be a big “no-no” for him.
- Every one of Bill Nye’s jokes fell flat. He kept using really strange humor, and the audience didn’t laugh. At one point in the middle of the debate, he randomly said, “Go Seahawks. That was very gratifying for me, by the way.” The audiences’ reaction: Dead silence. You probably could have heard a pin drop. He just acted strangely throughout the debate.
- Bill Nye couldn’t even adhere to the simple terms of the debate. He was asked to state his favorite color in one word. Bill’s reaction? A long-winded rant about how green plants are amazing. Huh? Ham hilariously responded with, “Since he had 300 words, can I have three? Observational science. Blue.”
- Most of Nye’s arguments were logical fallacies based on arguments from ignorance. For example, “Gee, I don’t understand how a man (Noah) could have built a boat like that, so therefore, it must not be true.”
- Bill Nye used a disgusting illustration of “fish sex” to try to prove evolution. Really, Bill? Fish sex? That’s your bombshell evidence? Wow.
Conclusion: Ken Ham Won the Creationist Debate
Ken Ham clearly won the debate. He was confident, made better points, logically addressed most of Nye’s assertions, and he acted respectfully. Nye came across as awkward, unfunny, repetitive, weird (fish sex), and disrespectful.
I read somewhere that Bill Nye had his expenses paid and was awarded a “speaking fee” for appearing in this debate. If this is true, the American people deserve a refund. I want my money back. Nye was boring and didn’t even make me laugh, and he certainly presented no compelling arguments for evolution (or against creationism).
A Few Side Notes
Here are a few refutations to some of Nye’s bizarre claims:
- Creationists don’t do science. Really? I guess he missed the slides Ham presented with Ph.D. scientists who do science. Nye, who holds only a bachelor’s degree in engineering, didn’t seem to care. And let’s not forget Isaac Newton (often called the father of science), who was a devout Christian and creationist who wrote more on religion than he did science (yet, he still managed to find time to invent calculus, and discover major breakthroughs in science). The truth is that most major breakthroughs in science were made by Christians, many of whom were creationists. Harvard, the liberal school, was also founded by a Christian. Christians practically have a monopoly on starting education, medicine, and scientific discoveries. Even John D. Rockefeller (billionaire tycoon and Baptist) contributed millions upon millions to advance medicine and education. Christians are all over the history books when it comes to their contributions in academia, medicine, technology, and science. Would someone please educate Mr. Nye on his sheer ignorance?
- Christians don’t want to seek answers to the universe. Really? I guess if Bill Nye read the book of Proverbs, perhaps he’d see how God’s word encourages us to seek out and understand things. This verse comes to mind: “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter” (Proverbs 25:2). Or this verse, “How much better to get wisdom than gold, and good judgment than silver!” (Proverbs 16:16). It seems to me that God’s word encourages us to search out matters and pursue wisdom. I’ve yet to meet a Christian who says, “I don’t want to study the universe, cuz the lawrd done did it.” Instead, most Christians search for answers in the universe with a sense of awe and reverence of God’s glorious power.
- Christians don’t care about education. Folks, I live in the backwoods of TN, and I go to a church in the sticks. In just my Sunday school class of young married couples alone (most in their mid-to-late 20′s), here are their credentials: One is an engineer, and his wife is graduating from medical school within the next year. Another owns a prominent business in our area. Two people have master’s degrees in business. Two women are in dentistry, and two others are registered nurses. Four people in my class are teachers, one of which teaches high school physics. My pastor holds a master’s degree and Ph.D. from seminary. I’m so sick to death of these lies of Christians not caring about education, or Christians being uneducated. Get a clue, atheists.
The Real Reason Atheists Can’t Understand Creationism
Evolution is nothing more than a creation story for atheists. Every religion has a creation story, and make no mistake that atheism/secular humanism is a religion. It is cleverly disguised, but it is a religion. As such, they need a way to explain how they got here without God.
God’s word tells us why many atheists have trouble believing the gospel:
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural. (Romans 1:24-26)
Atheists can’t find God for the same reason a thief can’t find a police officer: They have sin in their hearts, and they don’t want to give it up. I don’t care whether it is pride, sexual sins, or whatever. It’s there, and don’t ever forget it. This blinds them to the truth of the gospel. An atheist is to repentance as a cat is to water–they shriek at the idea of giving up their pet sins.
Do You Trust Christ?
God’s word is clear: You will die one day, and there will be a judgment. You will stand before God one day. Are your sins forgiven? Have you placed your total trust and faith in Christ?
We’ve all sinned and we all fall short of God’s glory. I never mince words about sin, especially the sins I’ve committed. I’m a sinner unworthy of eternal, and God would be 100% just and fair if He condemned me to the lake of fire for eternity. I deserve it, and the Bible affirms this truth.
God is too holy and too good to ignore sin. Imagine today if a person went and molested and killed a young child. Would you not be outraged at this, and expect a righteous police officer and a righteous judge to place this person in prison? Wouldn’t you be outraged if the judge merely shrugged his shoulders and said, “Oh well, we’re all sinners. Go back into society Mr. child molester.
God, too, must punish sin. If He lets sin go on unpunished, He is not a righteous God at all. God is simply too good not to punish sin.
Someone has to pay for your sin. Either you’ll pay for it in hell for eternity, or you can accept Jesus Christ’s payment for your sins. He died in agony on the cross to pay for your sins, and if you accept Him as your Lord and Savior today, you’ll be forgiven of your sins.
If you haven’t accepted Christ, please do so now.